Hitler's Quote...

"Who" asked Hitler, "remembers the Red İndians?" is the real quote of Hitler, and not the quote which was used for the Armenians!

Cengiz Özakıncı
"Nüremberg Davasında L-3 Belge Sahteciliği" Bütündünya dergisi 07/2018 pdf:

Cengiz Özakıncı, soykırım müzesinde Hitler'e atfedilen sözün aslını ortaya koydu. Timothy Snyder'ın kitabı "Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning" ki birçok tanınmış kişinin takdirini almış.... 

Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning

by Timothy Snyder

Does Freedom of the Press Give Editors and Authors the Liberty to Manipulate Court Verdicts and Documented Facts?
Yurdagül Atun, Şükrü Server Aya, Ata Atun
İnternational Aydın University - NORTH CYPRUS

Abstract:
As a person who had wonderful connections in school, bussiness, social and even international trade in a long lifetime, I, in my last thirty years took the burden of studying the background of this "genocide" fanfare which is not supported by "any legally valid evidence or document" and hence has been standing as a contrversy disturbing our all time "amicable sentiments with several Turkish Armenian buddies". My prevailing friendly relations with reasonable Armenians are strong enough not to be infected by irresponsible publications or unproven grand-ma tales. Crime and punishment is not hereditary. Also, as mature persons it is more than half of century that we could rid ourselves from racial, national and religious differencce. Persons are born with natural national roots and beliefs hard to alter.

A prfound old time scholar and friend of mine for some twenty years frequently shared my opinions and we joyfully co-authored several essays ın historical past relations, Armenians, Turkish-German or other subjects. Having read the Wall Street Journal of Jan.25,2018 by Mr.Robert M Morgenthau, me and my scholar friend Prof.Ata Atun, (with whom we published quite a number of essays (1) available on internet) decided to present this paper as a continuation of my book "Preposterous Paradoxes of Ambassador Morgenthau" (2) plus several essays related to Armenians, genocide, Morgenthau which are enlisted hereunder! Since several of our researches are primarily focused on "The Story of Ambassador Morgenthau" book, diary, consular reports, and other irrefutable written evidences, we decided to express our cross checked "findings" (not opinions) in this research refuting the contents of the article posted by Wall Street Journal and penned by a reputed ex district attorney or "lay authority" with respected ancestry.

And yet, we are appalled and profoundly surprised by the contents of the article that appeared on Wall Street Journal on Jan.25,2018 by Mr.Robert M.Morgenthau, titled "Will Trump Tell the Thruth about the Armenian Genocide?" This article by Mr Morgenthau is plagued with so much bias and so many mistakes that we felt compelled to repudiate its contents and present our documented findings on the same issue.

Introduction:
First, the title of the article is obviously already biased and is one carefully designed to provide the reader with a false perception that the long-standing issue, known as the "Armenian Issue", constitutes an indisputable genocide. The question of whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide is already contrary to the statement of the League of Nations Secretary on March 1,1920 (3) which reads;

"...Further, in Turkey, minorities were often oppressed, and massacres carried out by irregular bands who were entirely outside the control of the central Turkish Government..."

who was authorized to make this statement as the highest officer of the "old United Nations" !

The absence of documented knowledge is no excuse! We feel that the respectable prestige of Mr.Morgenthau in Law as district attorney may be jeopardized by his blank accusations, not knowing history or ignoring legal requirements.

In the article, Mr.Morgenthau states that prior to his invasion of Poland, Hitler gave a "speech", where he ordered his Nazi subordinates to exterminate the Polish Jews by saying;

"Who after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

In other words, Mr.Morgenthau implies that the idea of destroying Polish Jews was designed based upon the experiences of the (so called) Armenian Genocide.

Disinformation in Holocaust Museum:
The "Hitler quote" Mr.Morgenthau used in his article to support his allegations, is in fact a popular propaganda item that is constantly perpetuated by the Armenian Diaspora for a long time. This is based on a poorly doctored docement which was submitted to the Nuremberg Court proceedings in 1946, but it was withdrawn from the files in 1948 being invalid. The documents are all clear and available on the internet. (4)

This statement appears on the wall of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, but the Museum presumably tried to rid itself from the responsibility of truth, by adding this sentence. ( August 22,1939 - ACCORDING TO REPORTS BY THE ASSOCİATED PRESS BUREAU CHİEF İN BERLİN - Louis Lochner)

Hence the Museum covered the mistake they knew much earlier by deflection or simply giving the source, without cross checking its veracity or observing the deletion of this document from the Nuremberg Court. Furthermore, one cannot help but aske the question as to why a respectable museum would sttop to put up something on a wall which themselves apparently question by referencing to a dubious source. One cannot escape to conclude that it must have been for money. And it is an open secret that in fact an Armenian by the name of Seth Moomjian (actually Set Momjian) pledged One (1) million dolars to put up that wall of disinformation.

Now, the purpose of a museum is to inform the public the true history based on factual and cross-checked information, for otherwise it would be derelict in its duties as a museum. Just as importantly, they would be besmirching the memory of the horrible Holocaust for which the museum was built in the first place. It is ironic that what the museum has done is totally contrary to the mission of today's #REMEMBER movement.

Hitler's meeting of August 22,1939:
The referred Hitler's meeting of August 22,1939 is explained in full contents in the colossal encyclopedic book on Nazi History "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich" (5) by William L.Shirer. There is no such sentence of any reference to Armenians. Furthermore, the actual meeting minutes that were jotted down and submitted to German Nazi Archives by some of Hitler's top generals did not have the same contents. Prof.Lowry's article (6) is a scholarly valid evidence and narration.

Finally "Documents - The Military Foreign Policy, and War" released by US Military (7) provides full text of the subject speech, which are identical to text of William Shirer's book. Henceforth as readers of respectable WSJ and Mr.Morgenthau, we are entitled to receive a public explanation or apology for the following serious discrepancy which must be reconfirmed.

(A) If the speech attributed to Hitler, appearing on the wall of the Museum in Washington and re-quoted by WSJ and Mr.Morgenthau is TRUE, then it must be that:

(B) The deletion of the L-3 document (15) by the Nuremberg Court plus Prof.Heath Lowry's article, plus contents of the book "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich" and lastly the records of the U.S.Military ARE ALL WRONG! WSJ and Mr.Morgenthau must be obliged to show the readers of the WSJ newspaper where and how they received their information for the article and answer the question as to WHİCH ONE of the following IS TRUE: the Nuremberg Court files and the associated references given in paragraph (B) above NEGATİNG the Hitler quote as published in the WSJ article by Robert M Morgenthau or the quote as chiseled on the wall of the HOLOCAUST MUSEUM ??

Nazi Armenian Legion and SS Armenian Troops:
In general, the shallowness of the arguments coming from the USA is aggravated further by Mr.Morgenthau's using the "religion card in favor of the Armenians" not being aware of what has been available on the internet for many years that <armenians soldiers in wehrmacht army photos> of 22.000 to 33.000 Nazi Armenian Legion soldiers in Hitler's army fighting against USA and allies, under Armenian General "Butcher Dro". 4.800 of this army were special SS troops which were functional in rounding Jews and sending them to death camps. Chapter 14/1 and 14/2 of reference (4) give descriptive and documented information about their devotion to Hitler until February 1945. Mr.Morgenthau as a profound Jew is praising the Armenians who rounded up the Jews in Europe. In contrast, it is sad (and perhaps inexcusable) that Robert M.Morgenthau seems to be unaware of many counts of Turkish diplomats (14) not only saving over ten thousand Jews and some even accompanying them for safety from Vichy France to Palestine on charted trains, not to mention thousands who were also saved on island of Rhodes.

Jews saved by Turkish Diplomats:
It is almost impossible that Mr.Morgenthau never heard of the Jewish Professor Emeritus on Middle East History, Mr.Stanford J.Shaw (18) teaching history in the UCLA Universtiy and whose house was bombed and set on fire by Armenian students in early 2000s and he took refuge to Turkey for safety. He passed away in 2006. It will be no surprise that both WSJ and Mr.Morgenthau never read an article by Mr.Shaw, detailing how the Jews with Turkish relatives in Turkey were saved by few Turkish diplomats at high risks.

Conclusions:
In regard to the population controversies, there are documented in the books and essay in footnote no.1 by Ata Atun. And of course, the bit about the "denialists" and "denial" issue, it is probably not worth to talk about it, because it simply is stupidity in its core. How can one be accused of being a "denialist" when the other side is accusing of something that never happened? How can one prove a negative? What is one supposed to do? Just take all the lies lying down?

"Denial" applies to something that is proven to exist physically or scholarly. Article IX of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide requires "verdict of an International Court of Justice"! (10)

The UN has a special undersecretary and office "OSAPG" which specifically deal with charges of genocide by the members. The office and procedures are wide open to "evidence the human crime - genocide". The drumbeaters of genocide propaganda know that they have no case to defend and bypass the OSAPG office, by symposium, conferences, articles and so much brain washing to escape established laws and written regulations.

As far as the relief efforts Mr.Morgenthau is talking about, both WSJ and Mr.Morgenthau must read "the Near East Relief Report" (11), dated Dec.31,1921. On Page 5 of the report, under the title "general", it is stated that "...at least 1.000.000 people, chiefly Armenians and members of the other exiled subject races are living in the Near East today...".

Hence, we shall leave it up to Mr.Morgenthau to prove following the joint French-Armenian Land Distribution Committee report of March 1,1914 showing the total Armenian population in the entire Ottoman Empire being 1.288.000, how is it possible to kill 10.000 persons every day to reach 1.500.000 in 150 days while needing (where, when, how, why) stadium size graves every day, dug by 6.000 workers to dispose bodies. Was there any ever found, by the way?

Boghos Nubar, the Armenian Leader living in France, in his letter to the French Foreign Ministry of Dec.3,1919 wrote that the number of "relocated Armenians" was 600.000 to 700.000. The U.S.Near East Relief balance report indicates on page 5, that 1.403.000 Armenians were alive on 31 December 1921. Firstly, how is it possible to have 1.500.000 persons die (out of 1.288.000)? Secondly, since only 600.000 - 700.000 died during the relocation, then with a totally imaginary rate how can one arrive at a balance of 1.403.000 Armenian alive as written in the Armenian Memorandum given to the Paris Peace Conference on Feb.12,1919.

The Turkish Armenian deaths for all reasons between 1914-1922 cross checked with several documents is about 600.000. However, 200.000 of this figure died in Armenia of starvation and epidemics during their 30 months rule of Dashnakist Republic (12) and another lot of 200.000 Armenians died in fights on the side of the enemies against their home country. (13) The documentary evidence confirms the loss of Turkish Armenians during this period to be about 200.000 or 16% when deaths in Turkish army barracks were about 30%. The Armenian losses could have been much higher if the very extensive American Food Medicine and healthcare equipment and personnel had not arrived and were permitted to freely function during the years of war.

In a way, we thank Robert M.Morgenthau, the grandson of Ambassador Henry Morgenthau to the Ottoman Empire for giving us a chance to clear some of the miss and disinformation that has been propagandized for over a century now. We sincerely hope that tihs is a siren call to concerned people to set the record straight once and for all.

Dr.Yurdagül Atun, feb.2018
Researcher, İnternational Aydin University
Şükrü Server Aya (Researcher)
Prof.Dr.Ata Atun (Rector)

Two other books by Sukru Server Aya (Şükrü Server Aya) :
- The Genocide of Truth: 
- The Genocide of Truth Continues... But Facts Tell the Real Story

Genocide lie of the Armenians !


"The following article has been prepared based on the British and the United States archives. It proves categorically that the Armenian allegations were heard with great zeal by the British following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, yet all the British efforts to incriminate the Ottoman government proved only the innocence of the Turks."
MALTA:





Hatırlamalıyız ki, işgal altında olduğumuz dönemde bile delil bulamadıkları için düşürülmüş "Malta Mahkemeleri" var. 
Tarih ise Temmuz 1921'dir. Sadece bu bile "soykırımcılara" verilebilecek yegane cevaptır.
Bilal N.Şimşir - Malta Sürgünleri:
Daha 1920'lerde Ermeni meselesinde Türklerin nasıl aklandığını belgeleriyle ortaya koyuyor....

Mass Graves of an Alleged Genocide

Armenians allege a genocide dated back to 1915, where a mere one and a half million Armenian were exterminated by the Ottoman Empire, during relocation which took part on mid May to early November in the year 1915.


The alleged extermination period is only 155 days and the total amount of the victims alleged to be one and a half million.


This means every single day 10 thousand Armenians were shot to death, killed, hanged or exterminated or etc.


Human corpse, stacked on top of each other, 3 bodies occupies a volume of one cubic meter. To bury ten thousand corpses in a mass grave would need a pit in the volume of 3 thousand and 333 cubic meters for corpses and a further 3 thousand and 333 cubic meters to cover them with earth for blanketing.


Accordingly a total of 6 thousand and 666 cubic meters needed to be dug every single day from May 1915 to November 1915.


No excavators, dozers, loaders, JCB’s, lorries, tucks or trench diggers were available at the beginning of the Twentieth century, not even a single car was available in the Eastern Anatolia region during those years.


A man power definitely needed  to dig everyday a pit in the volume of 6 thousand and 666 cubic meters or approximately an area in the size of a football field to be dug 2 meters in depth. Every single day an area in the size of a football field needed to be excavated  in 2 meters depth, the corpses laid in and later covered with soil again.


A healthy and young man can excavate only around half cubic meter of a pit using digging tools like a pickax and shovel in one hour working nonstop with a normal effort and a pace. If it is in the size of a football field, starting to dig from the center and dispose the excavated soil to any place outside of the football field, the time needed to excavate half a cubic meter increases to 60 minutes in average.


This means every day a 6 thousand and 666 hours needed to excavate a mass grave and to dispose the soil than a further approximately 3 thousand hours to cover the laid corpses, totaling almost 10 thousand hours of work every day for a period of 5 months, non stop.


Assuming a 6 hours productive work by a healthy man, 1 thousand and 7 hundred man needed every day to dig the pit, lay the corpses and cover them, subject if they can non stop work for 155 days. Normally a job rotation would be needed to proceed in the same pace every day which would increase the amount of people employed to around 2 thousand and 5 hundred.


Of course some guards from the Ottoman army  would also be needed to keep the order and prohibit escapes. This means food for 10 thousand captives and  3 thousand employees, or soldiers every single day, if not the total of the captured Armenians were more than 10 thousand.


I never found a record in the ottoman archives delivery of food, water, tents and other necessary goods to a group people employed to dig mass graves in Eastern Anatolia for 155 days.


After the alleged extermination there should be 150 mass graves in the different locations of Eastern Anatolia in the size of a football field.

I never managed to find these mass graves going through the Ottoman Archives. Never mind 150 of them, till today no body managed to find a single mass grave.


Where are those exterminated Armeian bodies?.

In Bosnia 8 thousand Bosnians were shot to death and their grave yards shifted for 3 times consecutively in order to wipe out the traces but still traced and found.


Why no body couldn’t locate any one of these 150 mass graves?


I also could not find any record of confession of those 3 thousand employees or their backbiting or remorse of any kind. At least one of them should stand up later on say that “We killed Armenians and buried them to this very spot” pointing the mass grave. But these never happened.


Where are the mass graves of the 1.5 million murdered Armenians???



Prof.Dr.Ata ATUN 
(his own web)

"The Ottomans did, in fact, later remove some one million Armenians from behind their military line, and of course, the guerrilla attacks stopped. The proof is that there were more than one million Armenian refugees yet Armenians today murmur and whimper that the horrible Muslim Turks massacred 1.5 million of their Christian forefathers in 1915. This is as massive of a tall tale as that told by the Armenian high priest’s claim of massacre.

The basic question is how could the Turks have murdered a half million more Armenians than who actually lived in eastern Turkey at the time? How can a million Armenians have been refugees and also been murdered at the same time? The Armenian tall tale of 1.5 million of their people being massacred is absurd and the historical evidence proves that the Armenians are not truth tellers! Historical evidence proves that it was the Armenian Christians who massacred far more Muslims in their selfish greed of wanting something for nothing than there were Armenians killed. Perhaps the Armenians have invented their very own system of “new math” that only they use and understand to fleece and deceive the Christian world!

What would have been the United States government’s response had it been subjected to such treason? Based upon the U.S. Army actions in the Civil War, the Indian Wars, and the War of the Philippines — the US government would have acted much like the Ottoman government. The Armenian guerrillas, who didn’t fight in Russian uniforms, as well as the Armenian citizens who supported and helped them, would have been treated as “highway robbers or pirates” just as Native Americans and Filipinos were treated. This is how the American army treated Native Americans and Filipinos — not to mention its treatment of Japanese Americans starting in 1942 during the 5 years of World War II.

Clearly today, neither a single United States state nor the United States Congress has any business or any right to pass meaningless resolutions attacking American’s friend and partner, Turkey. To back and support the bogus Armenian “genocide industry” is to approve of Armenian treason in 1915 as well as approving its acts of terrorism today on its neighbor Azerbaijan.

Consider this fact situation: Mexico attacks the United States and makes steady progress toward Washington, D.C. Native Americans support Mexico and wage hit and run attacks behind the American troops and disrupt United States military supply lines. Does any American really think that the US government would stand back and permit Native Americans to run wild and create problems for the army? Certainly not! Would any American stand back and permit some European country to claim we had committed a genocide when we removed Native Americans from behind our army when they were doing major harm to our soldiers’ defense of the United States of America. Certainly not!

Neither the United States government nor any individual state within the United States has any business sticking its nose into a sovereign nation’s effort to defend its lands. How can any U.S. state or the national government make a judgment call about a disputed action that took place more than 6,000 miles away more than 85 years ago? There is no real American interest to back and support Armenian treason and terrorism. To take sides unfairly, as some 26 U.S. states have done, is to give the Muslim world a good reason to hate Americans.

The sad fact of the matter is the politicians of the United States are taking the word of a gang of Armenian thugs just because they “claim” to be fellow Christians who were unjustly attacked by terrible Muslims. The Armenians are not truth tellers and Americans should learn truth for themselves before giving this unholy people billions of their dollars."

link to read tallarmeniantale

on the other side,

 THERE ARE MANY TURKiSH MASS GRAVES (link)

Till 2015, 185 mass graves of Turks...

History is not One-Sided...(link)

Turkish Genocide Museum - Iğdır (link)

PROF. DR. KÜRKÇÜOĞLU: 
ERMENİ ÇETELERİ 519 BİN TÜRK’Ü KATLETTİ
18.04.2015 / Ermeni Sorunu

Atatürk Üniversitesi Türk-Ermeni İlişkileri Araştırma Merkezi Müdürü Prof. Dr. Erol Kürkçüoğlu, 1986 yılından bu yana yürüttükleri kazı ve arşiv çalışmalarıyla asıl katliama uğrayanların Müslüman Türkler olduğunu belgeleriyle ortaya koyduklarını söyledi. Kürkçüoğlu yaptığı açıklamada, Ermeni sorununun sadece Türk dünyasının bir sorunu olmadığını, Ortadoğu ve Kafkasya’da çıkar ve emelleri olan emperyalist devletlerin hepsini birden ilgilendiren milletlerarası bir problem olduğunu savundu. Ermeniler tarafından yapılan katliamlar nedeniyle Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu Bölgesi’nde çok büyük Müslüman kayıplar olduğunu anlatan Kürkçüoğlu,öldürülenlerin sivil halktan olduğunun altını çizdi. Prof. Dr. Kürkçüoğlu,

“Erzurum’da 50 bin, Van’da 45 bin, Kars’ta 17 bin, Iğdır’da 15 bin, Erzincan’da 13 bin, Diyarbakır’da 12 bin, Muş’ta 10 bin olmak üzere bölgede toplam 519 bin sivil, Ermeni çeteleri tarafından katledilmiş. Bilhassa Birinci Dünya Savaşı’nda Rusların Bolşevik ihtilaliyle bu bölgeden çekilip ülkelerine dönmeleri neticesinde bu bölgede Ermeni çeteleri, gönüllü Ermeni birlikleri ve bunların başında komutanları var. Ermenilerin o dönemde yaptığı katliamları herkes çok iyi biliyor” diye konuştu. Erzurum Rus İkinci Topçu Alayı Komutanı Yarbay Twerdo Khlebov’un, bölgede Ermeni çetelerinin Müslüman ahaliye yönelik katliamları olduğunu ifade eden telgraflarının bulunduğunu vurgulayan Kürkçüoğlu, kazı çalışmalarında Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu’da 185 toplu mezar tespit ettiklerini söyledi.

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Turkish Genocide and not Armenian!

AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF MASSACRES BY ARMENIANS

The committees such as "Kara Hac / Black Cross", "Armenakan" and "Vatan Koruyuculari / Land Protectors " in Anatolia, " Hinchak " in Geneva, "Tasnak" in Tiblisi, were founded by the Armenians. Their targets were lands in the Eastern Anatolia and the union of the Ottoman Armenians.


The Armenian committees were provoked for this purpose, first they rioted in 1890 in Erzurum, afterwards they organized the Kumkapi demonstration, Kayseri, Yozgat, Corum and Merzifon events, Sasun revolt, Bab-i Ali / Sublime Porte demonstration, Zeytun and Van revolts, The raid of Osmanli Bankasi / Ottoman Bank, assassination trial to Sultan Abdülhamit, and Adana revolt in 1909. Due to the Armenian oppressions, 100 Turks in Zeytun in 1914, 3.000 Turks in Van events in 1915, and 20.000 Turks lost their lives 1914 — 1915, in Mus Events.


Armenians gave the greatest harm to the Turkish people, by the massacring them during the First World War. In this period, the Armenians spied for the Russians, they fled from their military service, by not obeying the mobilisation orders, and those Armenians who were taken under arms joining onto the Russian Army, with their arms, and they thus committed collectively the guilt of being “ treacherous to the land “. The Armenian bands that started to attack the Turkish Army and these bands have given great harm to the civilian people, as well. For example, the whole population of the Zeve village of the Van province massacred by the Armenian people without discriminating if they were women, children, or the old.

TURKISH MASSACRED IN CAVUSOGLU BARNYARD

Prof. Dr. Metin Ozbek, who was conducting observations in the region, tells the event as follows:

I brought some human skeletons found coincidentally during the construction of a house in Cavusoglu Samanligi, and taken to the laboratuary at Hacettepe University in order to examine it. As it is known, Anthropology enables the scientists to know the age and causes of death, sex, ailments, and some other facts by means of skeletons with the aid of advanced techniques and methods. Above all it is possible to determine the which race it belongs to through the examination of a skull. It was impossible to match the skulls with the bones of the body where, the remains of the skeletons we found. Thus, we counted the individual skeletons according to the amount of skulls and we numbered each.


In other words each individual skeleton had a different anthropological identity. We found out that there were five females and four males among the remains. The most prominent criterion that indicates the age of death is “symohysin pubiswhich” is a part of Pelvis. This part was preserved in seven of the individual skeletons we worked on. We demonstrated the age range of skeletons found in Cavusoglu Samanligi as follows.

1. Female (P6)........17-18 age

2. Male (P7)...........17-18 age

3. Female (P4)........18-19 age

4. Female (P3)........27-30 age

5. Male (P2)...........35-40 age

6. Female (P1)........39-44 age

7. Male(P5)............50 age (approximately)

8. Chid (D.1)..........15 age (approximately)

There was a striking common characteristics of the skeletons examined; there were injuries on the skulls which resulted from crushes with cutting tools. Accordingly, the common cause of death was subjection to severe torture.


I. Marks of Cuts on the Skulls:
Nr.1) Female: There are two clefts on the skull caused by sharp-edged instruments. One of them is on the right parietal and it is 42 mm. Long. The second one is also on the right parietal and it is 36 mm. long. Presumably her instant death resulted from the blows directed towards the head.


Nr.2) Female:  We identified the traces of four cuts on the skull. The first one is on the first parietal and it is 95 mm. long. The sharp edged instrument cut through the skull and reached the brain. The second cleft is on both parietals. The cutting tool-most probably an axe hit the Pemals on the head and split the skull open. Such an act is enough to cause instant death. The third stroke left a mark on the left parietal and is 12 mm. to the back of the first cleft. This scar is 48 mm. long and 19 mm wide and looks like a shuttle. The fourth trace is right at the back of the third and is in the same direction. Half of it is on the occipital bone.


Nr.3) Male: He is one of the group having the greatest number of clefts on the skull. The sharp edged tool hit its mark on the left ear and severed to mastoid totally. This blow slightly abraded the occipital bone as well. The second blow hit the left eye and left a deep mark on the frontal. The third mark which is 75 mm. long is on the left parietal. The sharp-edged instrument which entered the brain caused a long cleft between the left tuber parietal and sutura lamb doidalis. The power of the blow formed some other cracks in the same area. The fourth blow right on top of the head cut the sagittal suture. This cleft is 48 mm. long. The fifth blow is in horizontal plane and severed the right parietal in parts close to the sagittal suture. The instrument hit on the left zygomatic bone. In this area it cut the bone and some parts of the superior maxillary. This person was also burned in fires. 


Nr 4) Male:  There are marks of three blows directed towards the brain. The first one is a vertical cleft which is 37 mm long. The second horizontal one is along the parietal and frontal. It is 92 mm. long. The third blow was also on the left parietal and caused a cleft which is 49 mm long and 21 mm wide. The sharp-edged tool severed the tabule externa. These blows resulted in an instant death. Like the person, this one was also burned after death.


Nr.5) Female: We discovered four cutting marks on the skull. The first one on the frontal is 28 mm. long and not very deep. The second one is at the top part, along both sides of the parietal and it is 77 mm long. This cleft is deep enough to be the sign demonstrating her instant death. The third blow on the right ear was also fatal. It severed the mastoid totally and cut the inferior maxillary partly. The fourth mark is on the front part of the right upper jaw.


Nr.6) Male: An adult which has four clefts on the head. The first one on the left parietal is quite deep. It is 57 mm. long and 14 mm. wide. The cutting tool entered the brain as well. On the side of the sagittal suture there is a 23 mm long crevice. The second one is on the saggittal suture. It is 29 mm. long and 28 mm wide. This crevice is intersected by other two clefts. The horizontal one ise 43 mm. and the oblique one is 42 mm. The third cleft is also oblique. It is on the right parietal, a few mm. to the front of the parietal cavity. The foruth mark is made by a sharp pointed instrument. It is caused by a blow struck on the head close to the sagittal suture. The individual was probably tortured severely.


Nr.7) Male: There are signs of five hard blows. The first one is in the area of the left auditory canal. The sharp-edged instrument severed the mastoid totally. It even severed the zygomatic partly. There were two blows stuck on the left ear one after the other. They probably caused death right at that moment. The second mark is closer to the lambda suture on the right parietal. This cleft is partly on the horizontal plane and it is 41 mm long. The third crevice is between the two lambda suture on the occipital. It is 44 mm. long. The fourth one is quite deep and 48 mm. long. It is situated on the procenus occipital externa. The fifth crevice is right on the back of the skull. It is 53 mm. long.


Nr.8) Female: The skeleton belongs to a girl who died at about the age of fifteen. There are three cutting marks on the skull. The first crevice is deep and reaches the brain area. It is on the right parietal and 50 mm. long. The second one is situated in a vertical position and 20 mm. long The third one is right at the back part. This teenager was burnt in fire after being killed.


Nr.9) Female: She died at about the age 17 or 19. There are no signs of blows on the preserved bones of the skull. The main parts of the occipital were either broken or lost. It is impossible to state the reasons of death.



II. Identification of race through skeletons:


It is possible to identify race by measurement, index, and morphological observation of the skulls. However there are variations in each group of race. By means of Anthropometric techniques we examined the skeletons found in Cavusoglu Samanligi. We calculated the cephalic index which is the most prominent criteria in race studies. We took the measurement of the eight skulls. The indexes varied between 76 and 89. This result showed that four are mesocaphalic and the others are brachycephalic. We never came across with dolchocephalic group. In Anatolia Alpina race which includes both mesocephalic and brachycephalic ones, all the skeletons belonged to Alpine group to which Anatolian Turks belong. The skeleton of the female whose death age is between 17 and 19 does not belong to this group. It is in the east variation of the Dinaric race which is called Armenoid.
While evaluating the heights we used the regression equations of Trotter and Gleser. Where the three female skeletons are concerned, the results are 52.9 cm. 159.2 cm and 168.2 cm. The results related with the three men are 170.1, 172.4 and 173.5 cm.


Along with the skeltons, we also found one (shirt) button, a sharp-edged iron piece and a part of an upper jaw. According to Prof.Dr.Ilber Uzel from the Dept. of Dentistry at Gülhane Medicine Academy, the fragment of the upper total Prothesis belong to the right posterior. The prosthesis is rubber and the teeth are porcelain. Prostheses were used by the members of higher classes in 1900 s. Acatin traces (on the prosthesis) suggest the possibility of a Male owner. This type of porcelain was used between the years of 1915-1925 and produced by an American firm known as SSN. The epoch, there skeletons belong to is thus proved in this way as well.



III. Marks on the long bones:


Despite a large number of cutting marks on the skulls, there are very few cuts on the other bones of the skeletons. Virtually, this is because of the fact that in fatal attempts the most appropriate part of the body is the head since it is vulnerable.

1.There are three clefts on the diaphysis of the humerus of an adult. This depicts that signs of the adult was burned.

2.On the front side of the diaphysis of the right tibia of a women there is a deep cutting mark.

3.There is a deep cutting mark in the lower parts of the right tibia of a male.



IV. General Conclusion and Evaluation:


The skeletons which were coincidentally found in Cavusoglu Samanligi (Ercis) were examined thoroughly in terms of antrophological methods. It is concluded that these skeletons belong to mostly young people who were deliberately killed and some of them were burned. The skulls demonstrated that these skeletons belong to people from the Alpin race-type. Where Anatolia is concerned, they most probably belong to Turks. The scientific discoveries prove that these people were subjected to severe torture and killed brutally. These facts confirm the statements of the witnesses who live in the same area today. Thus the part of history related to Armenians has to be rewritten because the people who were massacred violently were not the Armenians but the Turks.


Prof. Dr. Metin ÖZBEK
Anthropologist

Photo was taken on April 25 th 1915

THE REPORT ON EXCAVATION OF THE MASS-GRAVES IN KARS - SUBATAN

One of the excavations of the mass-graves aiming to explore the events happened in Eastern Anatolia betweeen 1915 and 1918 has been done in Kars-Subatan. The opening of the mass-graves in Subatan village which is situated near Ani Örenyeri, on the boarders of Turkey-Russia, 28 kilometres in the east of Kars was carried out on Governor of Kars, S.Filtekin, the Mayor of Kars, Prof.Dr.Hursit Ertugrul, the president of Atatürk University, Prof.Dr.Ahmet Cakir, the dean of Science and Literature Faculty of the same university and Prof.Dr.Enver Konukcu, Prof.Dr.Azmi Süslü from Ankara University, Prof.Dr.Metin Özbek from Hacettepe University, Prof.Dr.Fahrettin Kirzioglu From Gazi University, Prof.Dr.Metin Tuncel from Istanbul University, Assoc.Prof.Dr.Abdüsselam Ulucam from 100.Yil University and Ali Ercan, the director of Kars museum.


The excavations in Subatan village which has about 20-30 houses of Moslem population today were carried out in accordance with the oral statements of 120 year old Fariz Öztürk and 95 year old Duraga Öztürk who witnessed the events. They were conducted in a 8x10 meter hole which was opened in the barn in Köseogullari district. The first works were started in A1 hole within the field divided into four separate 4-5 meter areas. The excavation which had been realized in a wide surface first was narrowed down to the inner crosspoint of A1 and B1 holes After having removed the 40 centimeter earth, the first skeletons were found. It was observed that most of these skeletons which were found with some personal belongings belong to children between the age groups of 0-1.


Another group of skeletons which was found in 80 centimeters depth in A1 hole displayed quite a shocking scene. These skeletons which were located in the north-south direction must belong to a mother and her daughter. The woman fell onto her right side and embraced the child with her left arm. The two stroke marks found on the head of the woman prove that they were killed with an axe or some other sharp instrument. The first stroke mark is not as deep as the second one. Both the woman and the child were buried in their clothes.


Another skeleton group was found in the south corner of A1 hole. Only a few of these could be analyzed. As these analyses show, bodies were thrown haphazardly. The rest of the findings were after of a belt, a pair of ear-rings, a number of colored beads of a small necklace; decayed wooden beams and were given to Kars Museum to be displayed in the newly opened Genocide Section for exhibition.


According to the oral statements of the witnesses, Fariz Öztürk and Duraga Öztürk whose statements are supported by the archive documents, the massacre committed by Armenians happened in the following way: The Tashnak-Armenian guerrillas who retreated from Kars and Sarikamis attacked Subatan village where Turkish, Armenian and Greek people lived together were captured wildly without feeling pity. According to the photographs in the archives and findings of the excavations, the women, children and old men who had been killed with axes and bayonets were left in the streets. The archive documents show that a total of 570 people were murdered in the village. After the withdrawal of Armenians, Turkish soldiers came to the district. The soldiers with the help of survivors collected the corpses, which were decayed and eaten by dogs, to an area and put them in a barn. Due to the hard conditions of that time and lack of time, the bodies were buried together. Some other mass-graves were formed by collapsing the roofs of barns. The archive documents and statements of witnesses show that in three separate mass-graves in Subatan, there are a numbers of martyrs buried. In the barn in Köseogullari district , more than 180, in Tiptip street more than 25 and in the barn which is located in the south of the village mosque more than 350 bodies are buried.

THE EXCAVATION OF VAN - ZEVE MASS-GRAVE

Armenian Massacres in Van - Interview with Witnesses

In the excavations that were started on April 4th 1990 in the cemetery for martyrs near Zeve which is in the vicinity of Citören Village that is located at 18 km. north-west of Van province, in accordance with oral statements of the eyewitness "Ibrahim Sargin" who witnessed the event, after removal of 30-40 cm thick earth, massacred human skeletons were found. It was observed that some of the skulls were broken, some were crushed and some were cracked and burnt. The most important findings of the excavations were poniard (khanjars) and daggers, a lot of cartridges, pieces of silk clothes, necklaces with bead of Sultan Reshad's monogram, amulets covered with wax, copper coins and glass buttons.


When these findings are combined with the statements of the eyewitness, the following information are obtained: The Armenian guerrillas who entered the district under Russian support in 1915 started attacking the villages, killing innocent Turkish and Moslem people. The Armenian guerillas brought into Zeve village about 2000-2500 people who were gathered by force from eight villages in the district and were put in houses and barns. They first tortured these people with piercing and cutting tools and then opened fire at them. Then, they set all houses on fire. Materials found in the excavation have been exhibited at " Massacre Section" in Van Museum.

THE EXCAVATION THE MASS-GRAVE IN ERZURUM-DUMLU-YESILYAYLA VILLAGE

The excavation of the mass-grave in Erzurum - Yesilyayla Village, to which even foreign press was attended, was carried out on October 7th 1988.

Arkeolog Doc. Dr. Cevat Basaran


Anxiety;"They where also human, they have the right to live.
In Yesilyayla massacre which we learned from the memories of "Kazim Karabekir Pasa", old men, women and children who were gathered by force were put in a barn and opened fire at them. The tobacco boxes with crescent and star, pages of Koran, cartridges, pieces of a half-burned wooden post, some long pigtails of hair, pieces of silk dress and small dress buttons were found in the field of excavation. Approximately up to 100 of skeletons were excavated from the mass-grave. Materials found in the excavation have been exhibited in Erzurum museum.

EXCAVATION OF THE MASS-GRAVE IN IGDIR - OBA VILLAGE

Prof. Dr. Enver Konukcu is the first person who discovered that there were mass-graves which belonged to the Turks massacred by the Armenians in Oba Village of Igdir. This information was supported by the documents of archive. On March 1st 1986, in the excavation of the mass-grave, findings verifying the historical documents were obtained and the massacre of "Tandir Dami" told by Sakine Aksu who was one of the living eyewitnesses became even clearer.


At the excavation, the first hole of 6x8 meters was started in the inner part of the northern door and a closed "iron lock" was found. The second hole was dug in the central part of the room and approximately 90 human skeletons were found under an earth layer of one meter thick.


The stone base (floor) in the south of the Tandir which was situated in the middle of the room must have belonged to the only wooden post which had supported the earth-covered roof and the burnt pieces of that column were also found.


By combining these findings with the statement of the eyewitness, it is realised that the " Tandir Dami" massacre occured as follows: most of the unarmed civil people from Oba Village were gathered by force and subjected to torture and then they had been laid as face down and locked them in the room, and opened fire at them. And then the Armenian guerrillas set the "Tandir Dami" on fire by pouring kerosene into the chimney and the earth roof collapsed after burning of the wooden column. During the excavation, melted iron pieces, burnt wooden pieces, pieces of glass, bullets and skeletons and pieces of clothes were found. Thick burnt layer and ash layer on the wall and floor of the house showed that other evidences and proofs had been disappeared with the fire.


Prof. Dr. Cevat BASARAN 
Archaeologist 
From Ermeni Sorunu link

Video in Turkish KARS SUBATAN

Kars ve Çevresinde Türk Soykırımı

Iğdır Ermeni Sempozyumu-Toplu Mezar Kazısı- Nahcivan Gezisi

DR. YAŞAR KALAFAT (link) veya (PDF)

Doğu'da Türk Soykırımı

Hundreds more mass graves remain to be excavated in Erzincan, Ardahan, Erzurum, Iğdır, Van, Muş, Bitlis, Doğubayezid, Kağızman and elsewhere. There is documentary evidence of further mass graves in Erivan, Gümrü, Serdarabad, Afltarak, Talin and the like. The Armenians, not only killed Turks, but many others who opposed them around Karakilise, Delican and Gümrü. As we enter the 21st century, spurious charges of genocide are still continuing. Intellectuals are certainly aware of the myths that have been built up around Armenian history. The Armenians have to stop regarding every church and its environs as a part of Armenia.

MASSACRES OF THE TURKS AND MASS GRAVES

Enver Konukçu - PDF

İstanbul Üniversitesi-İTÜ

Atrocities committed by the Armenians

TURKiSH GENOCiDE

Systematic and planned terrorism of Armenians in Turkey

GENOCIDES COMMIS PAR LES ARMENIENS

A VAN, BITLIS, MUŞ ET KARS -

INTERVIEW DES TEMOINS VIVANTS

PREFACE
Les Armeniens qui tiennent une place importante dans l’histoire turque, ne se sont pas subitement revoltes a partir de 1890. Ce mouvement s'est prepare pendant une periode historique au cours de laquelle fut lancee artificiellement une "question armenienne" sous Faction des societes dissociations fondees tant a l'interieur du pays qu'au dehors, par les activites de eglises, ecoles et missions, et avec l'encouragement et a l'incitation des pays occidentaux qui avaient des visees sur l'Empire ottoman. Cette formule fut remplacee pendant la Premiere Guerre mondiale par le mythe du "genocide armenien” qui se perpetue depuis quatre-vingts ans.


Parmi les minorites que les Turcs abritent depuis des siecles et, auxquelles ils accordent des droits et des privileges plus qu'a luer propre pueple, coreligionnaires et concitoyens figure la minorite armenienne. Bien quelle fut la communaute sur laquelle 1'Etat ottoman comptait le plus, с etait bien elle qui posait le plus de problemes et qui a l'incitation de l'Occident assayait de façon systematique d'aneantir la population turque au sein de laquelle elle vivait. Et cela d'autant plus que tout en faisant couler le sang, les Armeniens ne se priverent pas de crier au secours en disant: "notre sang coule, on nous tue, on nous expulse, on nous extermine!". Lorsqu'ils ont quitte le pays avec ceux qui les avaient pousses a la trahison, ils tenterent de frapper le pays de terreur, mais ne pouvant pas a reussir dans leurs entreprises, ils userent alors des methodes scientifiques et a nouveau de mensonges et de calomnies. Cependant a ce jour, on n'a pu trouver aucun document prouvant que ni les Armeniens, ni les autres minorites aient ete malmenes, ni massacres tant dans l'histoire turque moderne que dans les temps anciens. Bien que les recherches aient ete effectuees dans ce sens depuis cent ans, on n'a pas trove un seul document de ce genre jusqu'a present ni en Turquie, ni ailleurs.


Pourtant il est important de repondre a la propagande partisane, de faire connaitre les realites scientifiques, d'eclairer les opinions publiques turques et etrangeres et, bien entendu, de les convaincre. C ’est pour cela que, tout en organisant des reunions scientifiques dans plusieurs villes, nous entreprenons de nouvelles activites scientifiques. Ce sont des excavations de sepultures communes qui ont ete effctuees en Anatolie orientale en sept endroits, dont la premiere au village d'Oba, dependant d'Igdir, en mars 1986, la deuxieme au village d’Alaca, dependant d'Erzurum, en ju illet 1986, la troisieme dans le district d'Erciş, dependant de Van, a la meme date, la quatrieme dans le village de Yeşilyayla, dependant d'Erzurum, en octobre 1988, la cinquieme dans le village de Zeve (Zaviye), dependant de Van, en avril 1990, la sixieme au village de Subatan, dependant de Kars en juin 1991 et la septieme enfin au village de Timar, dependant d'Erzurum, en juillet 1993. Des centaines, voire des milliers de femmes, de jeu nes filles, d'enfants, de vieillards, qui etaient des Turcs, ont ete systematiquement massacres par les Armeniens dans ces regions. A la suite de recherches scientifiques et d'etudes faites sur place, le nombre des sepultures communes est evalue aujourd’hui a deux cents dont nous effectuons les excavations selon un plan determine.


Ains la "question armenienne" par ces activites prend une forme scientifique et la Turquie, sur la defensive a ce sujet, devient dorenavant offensive. Neanmoins il faut poursuivre et persuader ['opinion publique mondiale. C'est pour cette raison que ces activites ne doivent pas rester locales, mais qu'elles doivent etre somises a l'opinion publique mondiale et trouver leur juste place dans la litterature mondiale. Nous croyons que tout en dispersant ces activites a Erzurum, Van et Kars, en trouvant non seulement des documents historiques mais aussi des materiaux archeologiques et enthropologiques en faisant entrer en relation les dirigents, les hommes de science, de presse avec le peuple, en realisant des interviews de temoins vivants (Gazi), en les filmant, nous pourrons eclairer l'histoire turque, qui, depuis des annees, est laissee dans l'ombre ou exploitee, et apporter aussi des preuves devant l'opinion publique turque et mondiale.


Ces interviews, que nous appelons "histoire vivante", constituent l'une des sources importantes de l'histoire, qui a besoin d'etre rectifiee, grace aux temoins vivants, qui disparaissent de jour en jour, a Van, Bitlis, Mu§ et Kars. Nous avons filme les endroits oil la population civile a ete systematiquement martyrisee par les Armeniens pendant la Premiere Guerre mondiale et la Guerre Nationale; nous avons photographie des temoins vivants et egalement realise des interviews de 62 d'entre eux en plus de ceux que les chercheurs des universites locales ont realises. Dans ce livre nous publions d'une part les resultats de ces recherches a l’adresse de l'opinion publique mondiale et d'autre part, en accord avec les equipes de la Direction Generale de la Radio et de la Television Turques, ces resultats se sont diffuses par les televisions turques a partir du 24 mars 1994 comme un "Documentaire d’Histoire Vivante" et le seront par la suite par les televisions etrangeres.


C’est ainsi que 80 ans apres nous mettons devant l'histoire, nous prouvons et enregistrons une fois de plus les erreurs et les pretentions des Armeniens par les interviews de temoins vivanfs et, quitte a deranger les ames des martyrs, par les materiaux, documents et arguments anthropologiques et archeologiques, trouves dans les excavations des sepultures communes et des martyriums de la region. Selon l'expression d'un temoins vivants "a un moment oil nous nous battions contre les septs Etats ennemis, nous avons egalement ete victimes des massacres armeniens". Et ceux qui dans ces massacres ont perdu leur vie, leurs maisons, leurs villages, districts et villes, qui ont ete bruJes et detruits, ne sont pas des Armeniens, mais c'est plus d'un million de Turcs d'Anatolie. Nous souhaitons vivement que l'on ne revoie plus sur la scene un tel drame humain non seulement en Anatolie, au Karabagh, a Chypre, en Bosnie-Herzegovine, en Tchetchenie, mais encore aucune autre region du monde et qu'une telle histoire ne puisse plus se repeter.


Le 24 avril 1995
Prof. Dr. Azmi SUSLU

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SUMMARY
Armenians who have an important place in the Turkish History have not rebelled suddenly since 1890 s. The rebellion of Armenians has a phase of preparatory in its historical process. For, in that phase, so-called "Armenian Problem" had been falsely produced by the societies and associations which were established in or abroad, by the activities of churches, schools, and missionaires, and also especially by the provocative and stimulative efforts of Western States which had political aspirations on Ottoman Empire. Afterwards, during the World War I, "Armenian Genocide" had been proposed for a new formula which wherefore was instead of "Armenian Problem". Whereore, this "legend" has continued for 80 years.


For a thousand year! Armenian minority is one of those minorities, that had been embraced without any racial segregation and presented more rights and privileges them than Turkish people which were from common race and language, by Turks. Though Turks had much more credit in them, yet they were the cause of annoyance and succeding the very systematic manner, attempted to destroy the Turks by the provocations of West. Not only they satisfied with this much, but also, while they were sheding Turks blood, raised a clamour thus: "Our blood is being shed, we are being killed, forced to emigration, exposed to genocide!" After leaving the country with those men who led them to treachery, they had exercised the divers terror operations, but couldn't be successful. Henceforth, at this time, by using the scientific methods, they have proposed to reach that which desire it. Again, deviating from the truth, they directed themselves to the ways of error andfalse accusation. It is manifest that there is no scientific document to prove that Armenians or other else minority, were exposed to the act of killing a whole race, and contemted in the last or any period of history of Turks. And so, any scientific document in any place could be discovered, though it had been searched very carefully for about a hundred year.


But it is an important thing that the scientific truths were discovered, declared to the native and foreign people, and persuaded them, as well it was answered to concentrated and biased propaganda of Armenians. Wherefore, recently, the new scientific activities are being done for the purpose to reinforce the scientific assemblies in many provinces of Anatolia. These are to excavate the graves in a group. The first of these, that were excavated in seven places of Eastern Anatolia, is in Igdir Oba on March 1986, second in Erzurum-Alaca on July 1986, third in Van-Ercis on July 1986, fourth in Erzurum - Yesilyayla on October 1988, fifth in Van-Zeve (Zaviye) on April 1990, sixth in Kars Subatan on June 1991, and seventh in Erzurum-Timar on July 1993. Thus, it was manifestly appeared that thousands of Turkish people together with whose women or daughters, children or old men, were killed because of the violence and genocide of Armenians by their systematic and planned terrorism in these place. The approximate number of these graves in a group which were discovered by great and long scientific researches and local scannings, is 200. Hovewer, perpetual excavations of these graves were going on.


By all which, when Armenian matter was drawn to the scientific ground, Turkey does not only make self-defence, but also begins to attack. But it must be continued the scientific activities, and persuaded the whole world. Wherefore,likewise that such of the scientific activities must not only be locally, but must be presented to the whole world and must take a place in the world literature. 


This kind of activities as in Erzurum, Van, Kars, must become more widespread. And also, archaeological and anthropological datas must be produced on this field. Likewise, by interrogating the Living Wittness, or Ghazis, and filming them, the specialists in this field, scholars, and press-men have to join, be mixed, unite with these people. By means of these activities, in our opinion, history of Turks which was both darkened and exploited will be illuminated, as well as it will be proved or registered officially in the sight of the whole world.


Even though it must be confirmed, the scanning of "Living History" is one of the most important sources of history. Wherefore, we have scanned Ghazis who are day by day becoming less inhabitants of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Kars, for two years. It was scanned and filmed the residences of civil people who had been killed systematically by Armenians during the World War I and the Turkish War of Independence, martiriums, and the Ghazis. It was interviewed 62 living Ghazis who had been interviewed by the lecturers of universities in that region. In this book, we shall present the results of this research. And also they were broadcasted as a documentary programme which was called "Living History" by the second channel of TRT all over the Turkey and abroad. Afterwards, it will be broadcasted on other local and foreign channels of TV.


As a result, once again, in the presence of history, it was concluded that Armenian ideas are inconsistent with the truth, as they lack of witnesses, anthropological and archaeological datas, documentaries, proofs which were obtained by excavations of graves in a group and martiriums. As a Ghazi said to me: "When all the Western World attacked us, we did not only fight with them, but also we were exposed to the genocide committed by Armenians." During this genocide, those that were killed, that had their homes and their villages, as well as all of their properties destroyed were not Armenians, but more than one million muslim Anatolian people. We hope sincerely that this tragedy of mankind is not repeated once again in now here that is neither only in Anatolia, Karabag, Cyprus, BosniaHerzegovina, nor in the whole world.


24 th April, 1995
Prof. Dr. Azmi SUSLU

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